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11/10/09 1:36 AM -
Darth Hater Episode 12 - Jedi on my Tarkin 
by sado
, posted November 10th, 2009 at 1:36 AM
Episode 12 of the Darth Hater podcast is now up for stream and download. Check the bottom of the post for the stream and download links. Podcast notes after the jump.

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Intro
Justin Lowe Sado Twitter: @realdarthhater
Pete Trerice Misenus Twitter: @petetrerice
Josh Coleman Colm Twitter: @colmination
Josh Ogborn Sleeper @dhsleeper
Syp - BioBreak - @sypster

Opener
Darth Hater on Dragon Age

Stories Covered
EA Earnings Call
Imperial Agent Revealed at European Press Event
- Threat of Peace and Developer Blog Released
- Community Poll Questions For This Weeks Podcast
Bad News Mac
The Old Republic Novel coming in 2010
BioWare Licenses Graphic Tech from Umbra
Jedi Knight Class Revealed
- Jedi Knight Holonet Dissection
- Jedi Knight Q&A from Gamespot
- Community Questions/Poll for this weeks Podcast

Comments of Mention
Team - I might be in the minority here but I don't think there will be class mirroring at all. when an mmo says that certain classes mirror each other the meta gamers come out and nit pick everything. the graphs come out, the calculators come out and the nerf calls come out. Warhammer suffered from naming class mirrors and all people do is look at the other grass and complain how its greener. BW should say that its faction v faction balanced and do its best to make each class play uniquely that way not only will each class have individual stories but individual playstyles. When you try to go out and mirror classes you water things down.(Imp Agent)
PurpleCliff - Will/should the Imperial Agent be able to use the cover system? Seems weird for it not to be able to (Imp Agent)
Pinio - From the perspective of Expanded Universe, there be no differences between force powers which Jedi and Sith could use, like any other force sensitive groups. Of course, there are unique techniques, developed by some of them but this depend on how isolated those groups are and eventually all can be shared. In game we have many limits, but I think they could solve this problem like it was did in KotOR. The same powers and only your light/dark side affiliation make some techniques easier or harder to master. (Jedi)
Cynder - I am going to explain this via Star Wars Saga. In that game they have light side and dark side descriptors. those powers should be exclusive per side. the general powers should be available to both sides. (Jedi)
 
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19 Comments
Comment by Tim Moon made on November 11th, 2009 at 10:53pm
Great episode guys!
 
Comment by kamakaze189 made on November 11th, 2009 at 9:16am
another great podcast! :) "Enchantment? Enchantment?" lol best part.
 
DH Team
Comment by Zoidberg made on November 11th, 2009 at 1:05pm
Lets hope he makes a cameo in ToR. "Power converter? Power converter?"
 
Comment by Team made on November 11th, 2009 at 2:22am
great podcast. straight and to the point.
 
Comment by indu.san made on November 11th, 2009 at 1:06am
I still haven't had a chance to play DA, but from the sound of it the companion characters in the game have a much larger role than I would expect in an MMO. I have mentioned this before in another post, but I feel it bears bringing up again with the new experience people have had in DA.

Why have TOR as an MMO if you can accomplish the majority of tasks individually with your party? Why not then have it be an offline game with online content (instancing and marketplace) What value do companion characters bring to MMO game-play and vice versa. Isn't the point of an MMO to have companion characters that aren't simply an ai script?

(My answer below)

What I see companion characters bringing more than anything else is the Story that has been harped throughout their development trailers. I see them as an anchor for the game world that is created. Although the other live players in the game may RP to various degrees, it can be awkward when the disbelief is no longer suspended and you realize your in front of a screen with 20 other people sitting, rather than actually using a flame thrower or otherwise wielding power only imagined. That simply can't happen with the companion characters. Their only purpose is in the TOR universe, scripted though it may be.

That said I don't see them functioning well in mmo-gameplay tactics why bother grouping with live players then? Let them be an integral part of the single player experience but do not let them take away from the MMO environment. Or let them and have it be beautiful and I can be wrong. I just can't imagine that game play at the moment.
 
Comment by EA Earnings Confrence Cal made on November 10th, 2009 at 11:20pm
[...] those of you who may not listen to the podcast, but should, EA had their Q2 2010 earnings conference call on November 9th. The vast majority of the conference [...]
 
Comment by heybarn made on November 10th, 2009 at 8:08pm
I’m only probably a 3rd through DA and loving the story (I've restarted several alts now though lol!). I honestly don’t mind the dialogue – most of the time it’s like a good book to me and I sit there with my tea/beer and enjoy the well written and nicely acted script. However, I feel I’m not using my main as much as I want with all the management of my team (plus the dilemma of utilising the characters I like to play alongside with vs the ones that far better compliment my character skill/role). Sometimes the AI and tactic ‘bugs’ (like you mentioned) makes me have to keep jumping to each character way more than I’d like (so lose the flow)…

I hope BW can refine the Companion system even further in TOR. Having one Companion out at a time is definitely going to make for easier control, so if they can really perfect a comprehensive TOR Companion tactics system = awesome. I wonder how loot gift hungry TOR Companions will be (will you have to extensively micromanage and gear them all?).

Good longer show guys /salute

PS Is there DA tactics/scripts to make your party say guard or attack certain targets eg character B assist my main, character A whilst character C fight from range but if character D is attack, assist D etc? Or is it all space pause and switch targets per party member? Yeah, TOR needs to hopefully be refined me thinks considering they don't want to put people off Companions at all...
 
Comment by Deidare made on November 11th, 2009 at 10:15pm
I agree, but i think there will be alot less than four companions, i guessing the most at two. Only reason I say so is because this is an MMO and if you had people standing around everywhere with more than 2 companions things would just get way out of hand. I think we'll probably get one, and tatics will be like DA, and hopefully they wont be to much of a problem to have, running around with a npc bud, would be sweet.
 
Comment by Team made on November 12th, 2009 at 2:54am
im pretty sure you can only travel with 1 companion
 
Comment by Deidare made on November 13th, 2009 at 10:34pm
Exactly what I'm trying to get at, but I guess I said it in a way in which wasnt clear. lol
 
DH Team
Comment by Zoidberg made on November 11th, 2009 at 1:07pm
When comparing companions to previous Bioware games, I hope they go with the Jade Empire style companions with the DA tactics. If they get in the way they go into buff mode. If they are worthwhile they can engage in combat and do the moves you script them to.
 
Comment by Revix2k9 made on November 10th, 2009 at 3:39pm
good podcast miss the long ones , well i think fact that its long due to tons of news :P
 
Comment by Bzrk made on November 10th, 2009 at 2:00pm
Enchantments? Enchantments!

Whehe, sorry couldn't resist. Good cast :)
 
Comment by jaswar made on November 10th, 2009 at 1:41pm
Like the game alot.....I feel there's way way to much talking and cutscenes though.. Completely overboard IMO........Like the dialog...think that will be great in TOR....hoping that its scaled down ALOT.....and no So "Movieish" I'd rather play than watch.......
 
Comment by Raithnor made on November 10th, 2009 at 1:40pm
This has probably been asked, but what is the music you use in the podcast from? It sounds interesting.

One piece of trivia I picked up on recently was the notion that each Class has it's own notion of "Light" and "Dark". A "Light Stih Warrior" isn't going to be the same kinda of "Buddha" character that we've come to expect a Jedi in previous KoTOR games.

I'm playing Mass Effect now and it's a little liberating to be able to play someone who can be a badass but not a total jerk. Which were basically your two options in KoTOR and Jade Empire. You were encouraged to be all one thing or the other with no middle ground or no real bonuses for the middle ground.
 
Comment by Dread made on November 10th, 2009 at 12:09pm
Just wondering why you guys never made the comparison of the linearity of Dragon Age in terms of the environment (closed and in-explorable) as well as the pacing of the game.

Most bio-ware games tend to do this anyway so I can see why it was overlooked. Nonetheless, great site and podcast, keep it up.
 
Comment by Avaro made on November 10th, 2009 at 11:14am
Nice as always, a bit to much Dragon Age imo..."/cast flameshield"
 
Comment by Flagg made on November 10th, 2009 at 10:45am
Love the new Hater as usual. Keep up the good work guys!

/Cheers
/Flagg
 
Comment by The Syp Side of the Force made on November 10th, 2009 at 9:02am
[...] So if you feel inclined, you can listen to the podcast and my purdy voice here! [...]