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11/21/09 11:25 AM -
PC Games December Magazine Cover 
by sado
, posted November 21st, 2009 at 11:25 AM
We received an interesting tip from Donner alerting us to PC Games December 2009 issue cover featuring Star Wars: The Old Republic.

[Link] to the cover.
 
 
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Comment by PC Games Reveal Final Classes? | Darth Hater - An Old Republic Community made on 11/23/09 10:47:19 AM
[...] couple days ago we reported that a German gaming publication called PC Games was featuring Star Wars: The Old [...]
Comment by Donner made on 11/23/09 9:48:52 AM
i have it! finally, from the freakin gas station >(

its jedi consultant and sith inquisitor. gonna read it now :p


jedi consular abilities:
sleep
lift up
smash down
forcepush
reflect

sith inquisitor abilities:
shock
execute
overload
lightning
dark meditation
sword strike
dark gift
Comment by Remlish made on 11/23/09 10:19:30 AM
im gonna call shenanigans
Comment by Remlish made on 11/23/09 10:38:37 AM
The screens he has posted at SWTOR forums look legit... i eat my words... why 4 forces classes is beyond my comprihension but ok...
Comment by Trindacut made on 11/23/09 10:29:44 AM
you might be right there
Comment by Remlish made on 11/23/09 10:31:29 AM
if there was to be a jedi consular class then the first jedi class announced would be guardian as those are the two main branches of jedi devotion.
Comment by Darth_Klimius made on 11/23/09 9:56:14 AM
God damn it! Could you get some scans for us?
Comment by PercMerc made on 11/23/09 11:11:05 AM
I saw some links here (http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=91614&highlight=Inquisitor) that BW has pulled down now that went to what I'm assuming were Donner's scans. They do look legit...
Comment by Donner made on 11/23/09 10:25:31 AM
sith inquisitor
http://www.abload.de/img/scannen0002pcjn.jpg
jedi consultant
http://www.abload.de/img/scannen0003eha6.jpg
Comment by Donner made on 11/23/09 10:05:28 AM
Yep, in about 5-10 minutes
DH Team
Comment by emlaeh made on 11/23/09 10:22:48 AM
CC me on it please -- emlaeh@darthhater.com
Comment by gstommylee made on 11/23/09 10:09:22 AM
I thought it wasn't gonna be on the newstands until the 25th. Only subscribers get it early.
Comment by snafu made on 11/23/09 3:10:57 AM
http://www.pcgames.de/aid,699859/PC-Games-13/09-Wichtige-Information-fuer-unsere-Abonnenten/PC/News/

"Dear PC Games readers,

the cover story of our upcoming edition - Star Wars: The Old Republic - is under embargo from the side of Bioware and Lucas Arts, so we can't deliver the issues as usual in this weekend. You will find the latest issue in the coming Monday in your mailbox - we hope for your understanding."
Comment by snafu made on 11/23/09 10:38:04 AM
Hah, my bad for assuming this meant next monday.
Comment by Darth_Klimius made on 11/23/09 6:22:06 AM
Hah, that was expected.
Comment by gstommylee made on 11/23/09 9:24:53 AM
Actually that article on the link is dated the 20th.
Comment by Donner made on 11/22/09 10:03:15 AM
Dont have to wait until 25th because subscribers get the new pc games tomorrow morning. In about 16 hours.

As mentioned before the first line on the cover means "we played it in detail" and the second "+ all character classes revealed!"
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/22/09 1:31:23 PM
but it still begs the question, why is DH having to wait to reveal the content and not this german magasine?
Comment by Darth_Klimius made on 11/22/09 2:39:25 PM
I'd say that magazine wouldn't be invited on the next LucasArts' event. %)
Comment by PurpleCliff made on 11/22/09 7:12:53 PM
I lol'd.
Can't wait until someone uploads the shiny magazine contents! :D
Comment by Trindacut made on 11/22/09 10:34:16 AM
thanks Donner, looking forward to it's contents!
Comment by Chasted made on 11/22/09 8:29:29 AM
Bah, all this talk about four separate force using classes. What I don't get if they did that is how could you make the two classes different. Both story and mechanically.
For Story, every character class I've seen has their own unique flair and style which they would see the story to be told for instance the Smuggler's story will have the non-serious joke-a-minute and a get-the-girl sort of story (Along with other elements). The Soldier would be all G.I Joe and as for the Jedi Knight? Well, I heard their story was about the whole inner-termoil/how-human-are-you and the political fallout from being kicked off Courscant (Among other things).
What would leave the second force user class for his story to be unique, more teen angst?
----
As for mechanics; shall we be having our "Force Based" class be shooting lighting bolts from his hands as if he was shooting from a blaster? Heck no, that would be stupid. Instead, he would be swinging his/her lightsabers like the best of them which would only beg the question: Why is there another class? Isn't this what that silly talent point system is for?
Comment by Deidare made on 11/22/09 5:46:01 PM
@Chasted: I have to completely agree. While the fact that two force based classes is still out there, it seems very unlikely that it would happen. And hell, I wouldn't want it to happen. "What would leave the second force user class for his story to be unique, more teen angst?" that’s perfect right there. There’s really no way you could get another force user for both Republic and Empire (well you could, but then we would have "iconic" issues between the classes. One would seem more Iconic than the other, blah blah) Also it would be complicated to make two more force classes, because there mechanics would be the same as the ones before.

And I agree the mechanics between all four "force classes" would al roughly be the same. I mean a force based sith, or a force based Jedi? Now I think that would make players feel less Iconic if they couldn't both pwn with a lightsaber and with the force. Making the average gamer choose like that would create a lot of confusion and mess. And with two force classes on both sides, that mess more force options and less players going to the other classes. Leaving BW and LA to tweak mostly the force classes only, because not as many people will play the other classes. Ending up in at least 2 or even 4 OP force classes. And the poor other 4 classes that would get neglected.
Comment by RogueJedi86 made on 11/23/09 2:41:32 AM
Deidare, I agree. It'd be like making a Trooper that uses Rifles, and a Trooper that uses Pistols. The differences are simply too small to matter and wouldn't create distinct enough storylines for them.
Comment by Trindacut made on 11/22/09 11:38:11 PM
It sounds like the focus here is on what Bioware can and cannot do. It seems a bit silly to say things like "all four 'force classes' would all be roughly the same" in regards to mechanics, when in actual fact we know virtually nothing on the combat scheme BW has in mind. Hence we really have no idea what they are capable of doing, and not doing. By all means be skeptical, but you'll only look like a fool if you use ultimatums with such a lack of information. In the end Bioware will likely come out with a "we thought about that issue and figured out a solution."
Comment by Boza made on 11/22/09 2:46:15 PM
It's also been confirmed that the Trooper is the highest ranged dps class for the Republic, it would seem confusing to have a Jedi caster class not be the dominant ranged class & possibly be restricted to cloth or light armor while the Trooper gets heavy armor & highest dps.

Although, 4 force users have never really made that much sense to me in the first place I suppose...
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/22/09 5:17:09 PM
who has the highest dps for the empire?
Comment by Fedaykin made on 11/23/09 3:42:54 AM
A certain small moon!
Comment by Xavier made on 11/23/09 9:22:49 AM
that's no moon!
Comment by Fedaykin made on 11/22/09 10:04:39 AM
Chasted, I so very much hope you're right. Four force user classes would be ridiculous, but I haven't ruled out the possibility just yet. I just hope you're right.
Comment by Trindacut made on 11/22/09 9:30:40 AM
Mechanics is something easily balanced, I think. If the movies are anything to go by, the second class will be a (I hate using this word) "caster", probably has a focus on buffs and debuffs, but will naturally have skill with the saber (not as proficient as a Knight).

Look on the greater scale of things: The iconic Star Wars hero is a Jedi. I'm only throwing out a round figure here, an estimate I believe is under exaggerated, but you would probably be looking as a 50% force-user player base. If you only have 25% of the classes as force users, there will be more than 3 jedi's to any other republic class. This will result in a massive imbalance of available roles when it comes to whatever TOR will do in the way of raids and such. (What I mean by this is that roles provided by the trooper or smuggler class will be harder to come by. A lot harder.)

So a second force class for each allegiance is a logical way to go. A second class means a second set of roles that will be filled.

Story-wise, there will always be a significant difference between a leader and a follower. Elevating the status of the second class due to their increased connection with the Force is probable, you see that pattern in the movies as well (see Yoda - Windu, Maul-Sidious). These two classes will have comparable story elements, but I'm confident BioWare and manage two very different stories from two similar classes.
Comment by MrWarlock made on 11/22/09 6:25:15 AM
To me this looks like a Jedi flash point, well i hope it is and not some kind of force using slave class.
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/22/09 1:29:11 PM
nah the chains were broken, not a slave lol
Comment by kamakaze189 made on 11/22/09 4:05:54 AM
Hey Sado i think i found the translation for the magazine cover.. welll sort of.

orginal text in german: Wir haben es ausfuhrlich gespielt + alle Charakterklassen enthullt!
Best translation! : We played it enthullt In detail, + all character classes!
Emthullt:= dont know what that word means

Google translate ftw!!!
Comment by Fedaykin made on 11/22/09 4:14:07 AM
Yeah you're right, Enthullt means "Revealed". I'm dutch myself, so I know a fair bit german.
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/22/09 2:17:28 AM
I was talking with a couple guys about this but if they are claiming to be talking about the new classes how can they publish this before dec 3rd?
Comment by Fedaykin made on 11/21/09 8:17:45 PM
I'm stumped. I truely have no idea. Four force users afterall, or she's simply a jedi knight? (Lightsaber, same armour).
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 11:11:22 PM
Jedi knight, at least im hopeing. I know i don't want two other force uer classes, and I'm not sure who really does.
Comment by Fedaykin made on 11/22/09 4:06:21 AM
Oh I hope so.. I so very much hope so. The Jedi Knight is iconic for Star Wars. There's a good reason to portray it on the front of your magazine.
Comment by Team made on 11/21/09 5:44:46 PM
well i don't have anything to do for the next 4 hours so if anyone wants to get their speculation on about anything i am down. i dont have vent since i am not home but my yim name is teamdumas
Comment by Voyle made on 11/21/09 5:30:03 PM
Awesome find, DH team.

Can the "wednesday 25th" date be confirmed as November 25? Confused because this is the December issue?
Comment by Boza made on 11/21/09 4:55:48 PM
All this 4 force user class crap, I'm actually happier that all of the inane discussion will be over than I am of the actual class reveals themselves.

That being said, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in by saying just because they're released simultaneously does not mean they're going to be force sensitive.

In fact, and I'm kinda shocked no one has stated this lately, what if they ARE related, but not by being force sensitive. Perhaps... just perhaps, they have a different connection, maybe... space? X-Wing Pilot & Tie Fighter Pilot archetypes are similar, heroic, iconic, could easily be made story-driven and tied into the ground game, and don't require a starting planet thus avoiding the 4 starter planet issue... per se. I'm just sayin... other classes can be connected to each other so that it makes sense to release at the same time.

Here's hoping.

Sorry if it's tl:dr I'm not posting on forums anymore until this debacle with the classes is over, but still monitoring the game's progression, cheers!
Comment by Star Wars – The Old Republic | theoldrepublic.dk Next Pc Games Magazine Frontpage made on 11/21/09 4:53:24 PM
[...] this story on Darth Hater, where they where talking about the frontpage of the german magazine “PC Games“. What [...]
Comment by Hest made on 11/21/09 4:43:29 PM
It also sais the magazine will be out on wednesday the 25th, so we should know the last classes by then.
Comment by Sathure made on 11/21/09 4:35:38 PM
If you lok at her feet she's also wearing armor simmilar to what Jedi Knights concept art have been shown in.
Comment by Frank made on 11/21/09 4:29:09 PM
Why do people want half the population playing 25% of the total characters? That's what will happen if the last two classes aren't force users.
Comment by Trindacut made on 11/22/09 7:34:54 AM
You took the words from my mouth, honestly. This should give the game a lot more balance I expect, by spreading out the roles over more Force classes.
Comment by RogueJedi86 made on 11/22/09 7:40:57 AM
Why does having more Force classes automatically equal more balance? You don't fix a problem by making more of the same problem. Spreading the problem around doesn't make it any better.
Comment by RogueJedi86 made on 11/21/09 10:05:01 PM
We want it because if only 25% of the classes are "Forcies", people might consider the other 75% of classes more easily. But if 50% of the classes are Forcies, people will consider rolling Forcies more often if only because they have more options on Forcies. "Just that one Force class sounds underwhelming, I'll roll one of the non-Force classes............wait, a second Force class? I'll just roll that instead because it looks cooler than the first one."
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 11:08:23 PM
Agreed, and if one of those "forcies" classes is getting under powered, then they'll just switch to the other force class. Because we know that the force classes would obviously be more attractive and would just make the other classes seem UP.
Comment by Team made on 11/21/09 5:40:54 PM
i dont care about who rolls what or population imbalances. there is no way around that in any mmo, a majority of players will always flock to the character that is viewed as the strongest. i just think its a lame idea.
Comment by snafu made on 11/21/09 4:27:13 PM
Thanks to the assistance of online translators. The front page reads:

"We played it in detail + All character classes revealed"
Comment by PercMerc made on 11/21/09 4:46:45 PM
"Played it in detail", huh? DH what else are you keeping from us??
Comment by jerlot made on 11/21/09 10:32:16 PM
DH has already played all the characters. They know what the last two classes are. They were showcased in San Fran. Otehr MMO mags have reported this. Trust me, DH knows what the last two classes are.
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 10:58:28 PM
Thats correct we just have to find a way of getting th e info out of them, heck mabye thats whats going on at December 3rd. I have to show up then!
Comment by jerlot made on 11/22/09 11:47:39 PM
LOL, they won't say anything. If they did, they wouldn't be invited back to Lucas Arts or BW anytime soon.
Comment by Team made on 11/21/09 3:41:24 PM
still hoping there will only be two force users
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 4:19:36 PM
Agreed, twos enough, we need some iconic guys like hmm Chewbacca? So I doubt they'll be any more.
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 4:23:31 PM
ya and how much can you do with a force user with no lightsaber?
Comment by jerlot made on 11/22/09 11:49:12 PM
A second force user would still probably carry a light saber. However would be more powerful with the use of the force and less effective with his or her's saber.
Comment by Williang Junior made on 11/21/09 3:07:46 PM
looks like upcoming december will be a good one though i am very interested in knowing the release date:)
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 4:23:48 PM
indeed
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 2:19:35 PM
Yes the cover seems to be mostly gothic 3 but there is an imperial sign in the top right. The character you see is not a star wars character im pretty sure. She has chains on lol
Comment by Eric made on 11/21/09 7:32:38 PM
Those chains and shackles definitely throw you off. That's really new, but I'm not complaining. If that's any indication of the armor and customization, I can't wait for this game.
DH Team
Comment by Zoidberg made on 11/21/09 3:07:55 PM
Remember, through victory your chains are broken. She is just taking it literally.
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 2:26:14 PM
nevermind its probably someone from TOR
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 1:11:40 PM
One: I gotta get that Issue
Two: I'm in german class, and I can make out some of the comments and things there saying :D
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 2:17:31 PM
lol nice, I forgot that the game is going to be French and German. I heard the German version of the "Decieved" trailer is epic.
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 10:55:41 PM
I just watched it today to see if I could make out any of the words, err I got like two of the things he says through the whole video and that was it. Lol
Comment by Savage Daddy made on 11/21/09 2:09:45 PM
Do share.
Comment by The Old Republic Featured on December PC Games Cover made on 11/21/09 1:02:48 PM
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Comment by Eric made on 11/21/09 12:06:17 PM
It says something about unveiling all the character classes in detail, so Churchkpq figured it out.

And I believe the chick on the cover is from a different game, Gothic 3
Comment by Churchkpq made on 11/21/09 12:24:55 PM
Nope, she's definitely from TOR, you can see the sith empire emblem in the background above her head.
Comment by Savage Daddy made on 11/21/09 12:59:31 PM
That and you can see the glow of a green saber to her right. NEED FORUMS DH! =p
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 1:09:25 PM
Thats a pretty whimpy light saber, they could have shown it off a bit more. ;P
Comment by Darth_Klimius made on 11/21/09 12:19:51 PM
Look at the imperial sign behind her. And she's holding a lightsaber.
Comment by Churchkpq made on 11/21/09 12:35:20 PM
If she's not supposed to be the jedi knight, then this means we may have two jedi classes.
Comment by RogueJedi86 made on 11/21/09 12:04:03 PM
What does the German say on the cover about TOR? I can only make a guess, with one word on the second line being "Character class". Just a guess from someone who speaks no German at all mind you.
Comment by Churchkpq made on 11/21/09 11:34:07 AM
Sweet, they know all the classes and played the game. :o Can't wait till everyone can tell us everything in december!
Comment by Savage Daddy made on 11/21/09 11:37:55 AM
I believe in the power of the internet. There will be a leak before Dec 3rd. Not by DH, but somewhere will be a leak.
Comment by Panzzer made on 11/21/09 11:44:10 AM
pobably, imperial agent was leaked a littl bit
Comment by Savage Daddy made on 11/21/09 11:29:08 AM
Interesting. Is that a chick, in chains holding a saber?
Comment by Darth_Klimius made on 11/21/09 12:06:28 PM
Looks like it, very interesting outfit.
Comment by Deidare made on 11/21/09 1:10:15 PM
Oh, very interesting indeed, haha.