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Official BioWare Stance On Game Testing Leaks 
by emlaeh
, posted June 24th, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Sean Dahlberg, Star Wars: The Old Republic™ Community Manager, posted a clarification of the Game Testing Agreement this morning:

We have seen many questions about the Game Testing Agreement and we want to clarify a few things.

1. Per the Game Testing Agreement, a user can state there is a Game Testing Program.
2. Per the Game Testing Agreement, when someone is selected for testing, they can disclose the fact that they are a member of the Game Testing Program.

That is the extent of it and anything else would be a violation of the Game Testing Agreement. Users that are found to post or even repost confidential materials will be permanently removed from the Game Testing Program and subject to discipline up to and including permanent removal from the service. This is not limited to screenshots of the game but taking "screen grabs" or sharing of confidential documentation and materials.

If you have any questions pertaining to this, ask them here.

We are intrigued regarding the use of the term "permanent removal from the service" language after stating removal from the Game Testing Program itself; this may indicate that BioWare and LucasArts are taking steps to permanently ban violators from subscribing to the retail version of the game.

Further clarifications after the jump.
 
If or when someone is invited to Game Testing, such a document is confidential and should they share it in any form, it is a violation of the Game Testing Agreement.

To make it super simple, unless it is something that is public accessible on the website without being logged in and posted by The Old Republic Team and it's not someone simply posting "I'm in Game Testing", it is probably a violation of the Game Testing Agreement.

This includes people who are just reposting and were not directly sent the information from The Old Republic Team.

Unless it includes confidential information, an individual's computer specs are their personal data and it's no issue if they share them.

Yes, Sean's "NDA" is part of his job... and I like my job. It allows me to help drive my team to give all of you great content and news and updates and, once the game is out, keep everyone as informed as possible. So, I don't want to violate my "NDA" because it doesn't just mean I'm out of testing, I could be out of a job

On a more serious note, though, while the Game Tester Agreement is full of legalese, the short of it all is that outside of two simple statements, there isn't much of anything that a Tester can say or do outside of the game and any related communication tools provided.

For anyone discussing things that may be questionable; if you can't find the information posted by someone from the TOR Team in a public area (i.e., something you can read without being logged in)... don't quote or discuss it.

For anyone caught violating the rules, they will be notified and depending on the situation, they may be (1) temporarily suspended, they may be (2) removed from any testing, or they may be (3) permanently removed from the service or a combination of the above. Regardless, they will be notified of such actions and any and all relevant information will be documented.

"Permanently removed from the service" is mentioned again separate from the Game Testing Program.
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43 Comments
Comment by mikalof made on June 25th, 2010 at 12:30am
So, I'm a little confused, has testing started, or is this just a discussion about the disclaimer when you sign up for testing?
 
Comment by Scandal made on June 24th, 2010 at 10:17pm
They are nowhere near the testing phase, if they dont even have the jedi classes ready for a public demo, my opinion is they still have plenty to implement (i.e. guilds,auction house,mounts) and wont open the testing up to the public till they have all those assets in and working somewhat properly. my guess is somewhere round jan-feb
 
Comment by Sinic made on June 24th, 2010 at 8:25pm
If I were Bioware I wouldn't let anyone that has a website or a podcast that is specific to this game in any game testing or beta. This is why, I would want to keep these types of fan media in the dark so when they release things to the public the level of excitement that comes from the updates can stay organic and real and it will keep these sites and podcasts new and exciting every week. Free advertising really. If they let all of these outlets start testing the game then things could get really hush hush and fake. Honestly if I were you guys I wouldn't touch beta. In my opinion it conflicts with the purpose of this site. You guys would know way more then you would be telling us and then you become Bioware. Your speculations start to dissapear because you now know stuff that you can't speculate about.

Look I know you will be professional but, I remember when you guys went to Lucas Arts studios in S.F. and you could not reveal what you saw until they said. It just didn't sit well with me and the site got quite quiet. I know many of DH team will disagree with me because they want to test the game but, you can't be a true info site if your holding back info. Wouldn't that be really hard anyways, how can you truely be sure you remember what you played in beta and what you can actually talk about?
 
DH Team
Comment by emlaeh made on June 26th, 2010 at 5:30pm
We unfortunately cannot discuss current or future business-related plans. This includes divulging if we are or aren't participating in the Game Testing program.

Have some faith. :)
 
Comment by jerlot made on June 25th, 2010 at 10:17am
Actualyl it should probably be the opposite. People like DH have much more invested then just the time it took to apply and accept the testing invite.

Are you telling everyone that the confidential information is better in the hands of random players that have the technology of you tube and blogs to post whatever they want and with little consequence.

As for people like DH having the info before most people and "losing the excitement when releasing the info" is just silly. How can you be a game info site and you are the one left in the dark till the end? Sites like DH aren't here to only show emotion. Their main purpose is to get solid info delivered to the fans. Its the fans' job to post their "feelings" and "emotions" when the NDA is lifted.
 
Comment by Danthis made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:27pm
If you read closely the terms clearly state: If you violate the terms of service we will send several violent goons to your house.
 
Comment by tfganhao made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:34pm
oh shit, its goons! (anyone who played eve will lol)
 
Comment by Mongo made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:49pm
i just want to know if this round is filled up so i can stop checking my email.
 
Comment by nedostup made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:42pm
Did the entire DH team apply for testing? I know it's unlikely you were all accepted, but it could be a problem if you were. Any information that you could glean from future dissections could potentially be information you had already learned while playing the beta, in which case you couldn't report on it. It would mean an end to the speculation we've all come to love. On the other hand, if just a couple of you were not participating, you could handle all of that stuff with the understanding that those members playing the beta would not tell you, or us readers, what was accurate and what wasn't.

Sorry for being nitpicky, but I'd hate to see the great work you do suffer needlessly.
 
DH Team
Comment by emlaeh made on June 26th, 2010 at 5:36pm
We unfortunately cannot discuss current or future business-related plans. This includes divulging if we are or aren't participating in the Game Testing program.

Have some faith. :)
 
Comment by Loekii made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:54pm
I would think the DH team would be pretty professional about it, able to keep what is NDA and what is public separate.

I have seen people participate in Public speculation and discussion, without ever breaking the NDA, nor people knowing they were in Beta.


 
Comment by nedostup made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:15pm
I also trust DH to be professional, but that would not make a difference here. They would be unable to mention anything they had seen in the beta unless it had been positively confirmed in officially released media. Say, for example, a new dev dispatch were released, in which a character were shown riding a speeder in such a way that strongly suggests it is not on rails, but a fully-functional mount. Normally, the DH dissection would mention this, with an emphasis that it was informed speculation, and everyone would be excited to see it. However, if the entire team were in the beta, and had been riding mounts for months, they would be legally prevented from mentioning it at all, or even responding to community questions about it. This would have a profound impact on their coverage of all things TOR from now until launch.
 
Comment by Loekii made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:48pm
I would not think their speculation would be considered a violation of the NDA, because they are not specifically talking about something from beta, but rather a Dissection of a Publicly released bit of information/media.

In other words, their dissection would be the same, regardless if they were in beta or not, so it could not be a violation of the NDA. It is like how a Judge or Lawyer is able to work around knowledge that is inadmissible to a case.


I agree it is a tough line to balance, but I believe they professional enough to not slip up and say something like 'Well in Beta', 'What we have seen', or something else that only someone in beta would be able to say. And as a DH reader, I would take everything they say as part of their normal 'Dissection', rather than considering it as if we were chatting on the Beta Forums.

 
Comment by r2d2arm made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:48pm
Well, they've already played low-level characters on 3 out of the 4 starter planets. It is a good question though. If game testing hits on various areas of the game besides the origin worlds, there could be some major reveals for a class story :(
 
Comment by Loekii made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:57pm
The Story spoilers and the heavy Story focus of TOR, is one of the reasons I would think avoiding Beta would a better choice. While I would enjoy the beta forums, seeing the Devs concepts/ideas and getting to provide feedback on the mechanics, I don't think I would want to spoil all the stories and the experience of the game when it is polished.

 
Comment by mexicola25 made on June 24th, 2010 at 7:06pm
I'm with you on that as well loekii split down the middle, I have been so invested in the whole kotor through to swtor games ( I still have a copy of an old oxm magazine anouncing kotor 1 and showing the first screen shots) that I would love to do my part in testing to help put out a great game.

At the same time I am really looking forward to the story aspect of this game and don't want to miss out on the whole playing it with my m8's, leveling up together seeing all the story play out, setting up our own guild (rhythm and stealth on nagrand eu server at the moment recognize mo fo's!).

So if I got on the testing great, I would explore every inch find every nook and craney I could to help out, But if I miss out there is still plenty for me to look forward too when it does come out.
 
Comment by Hewo made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:17pm
I thought that too at first, but I told myself if I got into beta testing I would pick a class that I would more than likely play last. In that case it would be the Sith Inquisitor. I know that sounds crazy, but I honestly think I would play all other 7 first. The funny thing is...I still want to play a SI, but its the last choice!!! Now that says something about replay value!
This way you really won't spoil your "main" character's story.
 
Comment by Peterisjustok made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:30pm
Ok... Just so I understand: "A user can state there is a Game Testing Program"; "When someone is selected for testing, they can disclose the fact that they are a member of the Game Testing Program."

So why is everyone killing themselves over this screenshot. Can't they just say, "Hey... I'm testing, just to let everyone know". Or have these statements been going on to long, and now people require proof?
 
Comment by r2d2arm made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:45pm
The screenshots posted disclose information that Bioware does not want leaked out such as the details of the test and of the game itself. This type of info also violates the NDA.
 
Comment by Peterisjustok made on June 25th, 2010 at 10:29am
I get that it's an NDA issue, and why it's that way. I just don't understand the idiocy of people posting pictures and jeopardizing there testing candidacy, when they could just simply say: "Hey, there is testing and I'm in it".
 
Comment by xeridae made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:15pm
I am wondering if they will be monitoring key strokes and banning anyone who hits print screen muahaha. No not really but that's one way to prevent screen shots, one way.
 
Comment by heybarn made on June 24th, 2010 at 7:14pm
Last night I had a dream about game testing for TOR. In the morning, I found that I had been banned from the TOR forums for thinking about it when I shouldn't have... ;-)

Hope the testers give some good, constructive feedback to BW.
 
Comment by ArcherAvatar made on June 24th, 2010 at 4:53pm
With regards to the "Permanently removed from the service" part of that... is that done with a Blaster or a Lightsaber?
 
Comment by Keyden made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:23pm
A group of ewoks beat you with rocks and clubs?
 
Comment by McClure made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:18pm
A trap door down into the Rancor pit. Dun Dun DUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
 
Comment by Caliber made on June 24th, 2010 at 4:16pm
I wonder how they will go about picking. Lottery, computer specifications, gaming experience, forum activity, etc.?

IIRC, when I got into the LotRO's beta it was a combination of the last three.
 
Comment by Peterisjustok made on June 24th, 2010 at 5:26pm
I bet Computer Specs are a big portion of that. I believe they also said they are looking for (and I am paraphrasing): 'people who are active in the community', but I hope that not just defined by how often you post on their forums.

To be honest, I hate posting @ SWTOR.com. It just feels like mass chaos and that my posts fall on deaf ears. I do it very rarely out of obligation... thinking it might help with candidacy for testing. But even then, it's exhausting and not worth the effort. So I hope it's not a big factor.
 
Comment by mexicola25 made on June 24th, 2010 at 6:45pm
I hate it on there too, I stayed well clear of the beta debate just kept checking the dev tracker on here sean Dahlberg has been a busy guy these last few days I thought at one point he was gonna have to get a dot to dot picture board out to explain it people. I bet you they would pay alot more attention to darth haters content then most the stuff on there own forums, At least you know you can have a reasoned discussion about what you think is/isn't going on with the game
 
Comment by ArcherAvatar made on June 24th, 2010 at 4:50pm
I could tell you... but then I'd have to kill you...

Have you seen the latest episode of Blood of the Empire? Run Dog!
 
Comment by r2d2arm made on June 24th, 2010 at 4:32pm
There's no way they would know about gaming experience since the sign-up didn't ask about prior gaming experience. I personally do not think it will be based off forum activity. Random/lottery with possible emphasis on specs to get a wide variety of computer specs to test.
 
Comment by Caliber made on June 24th, 2010 at 4:47pm
True, I forgot about that.
 
Comment by timskywalker made on June 24th, 2010 at 3:25pm
i got 24 hour ban from SWTOR xD

i think this whole beta thing is real

unbanned>> and free to post!
 
Comment by Raul made on June 25th, 2010 at 4:54am
I got banned for saying "I was given a warning for talking about the screenshot"
It seems the word "the screenshot" is confidential material.
 
Comment by mexicola25 made on June 24th, 2010 at 3:00pm
Hey does anyone on here actually know how the testing will work? I'm in the uk and signed up for it (I know the chance of getting chosen are pretty slim) but not sure exacly how they will work?.

Will they do seperate testing for America and europe?, or will it be just one big group?.

Are they even going to open it to people in europe?, Never followed a game like I have swtor before and I know mmo testing is alot different to other games any info would be greatly appreciated cheers
 
Comment by Korithian made on June 24th, 2010 at 3:28pm
Bioware have recently started recruiting for an office in Ireland. Now this could be for any number of games but it is ment to go live in Sprind 2011 which suggests it could be the server and game support for ToR. If this is the case then it is possible than the servers aren't set up outside of the US as of yet and only American players are likely to get an invite.
 
Comment by mexicola25 made on June 24th, 2010 at 3:12pm
asking this on here cause its getting crazy stupid on the swtor forums, I think if Sean Dahlberg has to explain the "NDA" to another 'tard on there his head may explode lol. 5 posts in less then hour all saying the same thing guy must have the patience of a saint lol
 
Comment by Furiel made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:39pm
I would expect it will be several months before any kind of true beta starts, even if the leaked email is legit. The email shown was for a 3 day event to do focused testing on the Sith starting area over the weekend, which doing that makes sense from a development standpoint and you can probably expect that there will be 3 more of those, one for each area in upcoming weeks. Once BW feels good about the starting areas then I would expect they will start an actual Beta program after that, which if I had to guess would then be starting end of August or early September at the soonest.
 
Comment by Shriven made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:39pm
If they dont at least give out some official info about this beta session (will it always be a few hundred, different people each time etc) this Friday I will be a little upset.
Too many people are excited about this and when official sources dont poo poo the rumours it sets peoples (my) tongue wagging.

Although my heart wants the above, my brain doesnt follow. I also understand if they dont share stuff till there ready.
 
Comment by Lugano made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:29pm
At least people can admit that there is testing going on and that they are in the program. That will let us know when it has started. That doesn't mean it will start any time soon though. Information is bound to leak out somehow. I just hope no one is stupid enough to try and sell screen caps or other game information to bloggers (thinking about the iPhone 4 leak). I'm sure Bioware would sue their pants off if they did.
 
Comment by Hewo made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:35pm
It will happen, it always does. Hopefully the majority of the testers will help the game by doing the correct type of testing. Honestly BW should visit this site and give us dedicated people the opportunity to do the testing. It is very obvious that the people who visit (and of course run!) this website would be very helpful to the testing process.
 
Comment by Lugano made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:48pm
We can always dream...
 
Comment by Teiwaz made on June 24th, 2010 at 7:46pm
I think i read somewhere that they do read fan sites, i wouldn't expect them to read through all the comments but who knows, they might be watching us all closer than we think :)
 
Comment by r2d2arm made on June 24th, 2010 at 2:28pm
It's nice to see Sean commenting about this ruckus :p
I'm just waiting for Friday for an "official announcement" concerning testing, if it indeed has started.