After the holiday updates that were supposed to be super special I really wasn't surprised by the release date. My brother has managed to pick up every bad mmo released in the last few years and through him I've been able to try them out. As long as swtor is finished an polished at release I'll be happy. I'm tired of half finished games, missing content and major patches to fix broken systems.

I hope the web comic is hinting at faction switching or maybe even cross faction grouping. The Wookiee bounty hunter with the republic and now Satele possibly on her way to joining the empire.

Seeing as how few information of the core game play is published I wasn't suprised to read the number 2011. In fact, it eases my fear of yet another MMO being released before it is done.

If you consider for a moment, what they told us so far - you have to admit, that the game doesn't look ready. Fully voiced - ok nice to have, awesome in fact. Story driven - awesome, class diversity - great. All they said so far is without a doubt great and from a marketing point of view it the things that make TOR different from the rest.

But what about the core elements of a MMO?
Guild system, guild advancement, crafting (maybe even as complex as SWG), endgame content, player housing!, economy system, PvP maybe even RvR, raiding, sapce content?, traveling (mounts, planet to planet transportation), epic quest lines, public quests, instances in general (while leveling up to max), game mechanics in specifics

These are te things that are missing and that I'd rather have them done before launching the game.

I played STO in closed and a bit in open beta and I am already bored because the game is not finished, it will be released in a pre beta state as was WAR, AOC, and what not - and that is not what I want BioWare to do with Star Wars! If they need the time to polish the game and release it in 2012 - I would gladly wait until then.

Looking at the official forums it already appears that much of the interest in the game has fallen away. There are a bunch of hard core posts about the game but most appear more interested in the Star Trek online Beta. So whether this is the hype dying off its too early to say but it does appear to be less than ideal.

More worrying than this is the expectations players have for the game now a Spring 2011 release date is know. More and more people think that this release date means the game will be bug free, perfect, include elements in the format they want and of course include space. We have no way of knowing that the added time will bring this to frutition. If we look at WAR, a game many mistakenly believe was rushed out to beat the WOW expansion we see this is the opposite to what people are hoping for. WAR was delayed multiple times and the beta went on for a year. And then we saw classes removed, cities removed and a dev team that either weren't able to make necessary changes to the game in time or not interested in doing so.

By having the player base wait an extended period of time and building hype as they did at E3 2009 long before the game was planed for a release. They risk creating such expectations that they can not deliever and after waiting that length of time for a game that doesn't meet the gamers expectation in 2011. And having already waited 3 and a bit years since the official launch players are unwilling to give the development team more time to get things right.

eh im not rlly surprised that the game wont come out till 2011... i always assumed that when we get every single timeline video (remember those? lol havnt had one in a while), thats when we'll be close to the release date.

There is still sooooo much more they can talk about, i think the hype won't die anytime soon.

Am I the only one who pronounces Satele as "Sa-tell"? O.o

"Sa-teel" just doesn't click in my mind.

Good stuff guys , and as always thanks for the inclusion. I personaly still plan on being as active as ever within the SWTOR community both on the official forums and here at DarthHater.com , but if anyone finds themselves stuck in the beta quadrant under Romulan assault feel free to hit me up at Remlish@Remlish (STO only has one server).
Its no Star Wars but it is fun in the meen time.

A little off topic side note, But I thought this would interest most of you in the community. Lucas toying with the idea of converting the star wars movies to 3-D.
http://paralleluniverse.msn.com/features/movies/the-wrap/george-lucas-starwars-3d/story/?Gt1=28140

Another year mean that much more of a chance for space combat. Please bioware! Please please please!

Nice podcast, not only because you refered to two of my comments ;) Thanks for that. It's always nice to hear the opinions of "professional fans" on one's own thoughts. Nice work, keep it up

Very informative. Thank you very much. It's great to know that DH will still be in action as long as new content will be revealed throughout the year. :)

"I think that all that stuff we know nothing of is still in PROGRESS", my bad :F

i fooly XD (fully) agree with you...

i personally think they gave us a lot of planet updates...so that now...they can come up with some real great stuff to keep us focused.

As far as I'm concerned, as long as it's got what they think it needs at launch, and they give it enough polish, I will wait until my social security gets here to play if needs be. I just can't in good conscience pay developers for rushed out the door, 1/2 done games anymore. I wouldn't buy a car with no engine and still pay a car payment so hopefully they would come put one in someday, I won't do it with a game. It needs to be solid, stable, and with SOME degree of polish. If they put out a good solid game, leave out game changing microtransactions... Hell thats it. If they do that, Barring my death, I will be playing this game. I don't think that's unreasonable :)

As far as fewer on the forum: Good. If I see another tired-ass thread on Microtransactions or Endgame Raiding I'm gonna /writs. We need veteran blood.

Thanks for another great podcast Haters, Re-Tweeted and Up on my facebook, as always.

I think that the greatest "bone" (besides game testing) would be to throw the character creator to the public (pretty much like dragon age)once all species are announced...Just imagine how more interesting fan fridays will be..this could also add a lot to the rp community in the forum...Just an idea

p.s:it's "fora" not "forums" please don't kill Latin:)

Common it's painstakingly obvious that the last Threat of Peace issue was representing the first flash point, morale choice you would experience. Kill Darnala and protect the peace or join her and start the war or start crumbling the peace.

I'm staying.

Jumping ship is for the fair weather crowd.

Keep up the podcasts! Everything you guys do on this site is great.

Really dug the more community focused podcast guys (besides the fact my comment was first lol woot :P).
Since the release date news ive come to except that 2011 will be the year of TOR. Of course it will all be worth it and the game will shine brighter with that extra coat of polish. Though I'm probably not going to be checking the websites as often as i have been, as you guyz alluded to in the cast. Some more updates should do the trick.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! *takes breath*

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I FEAR 11

There was the poll about the number of planets, and i voted on there being 12, thinking that release would be sometime later this year. Now seeing it as next year, i think there is going to be between 18-24 planets.

I also think that there is definitely going to be a lot of hype-deflation. But if people are interested now, they will be when the game is released, no matter what they do within the next year or so.

2011 NOOOOO!

I would like to see the "seedy sith cantinas" much like the club in Mass Effect on the citadel. That gave a really accurate feeling to what a seedy bar/club would be like. I just played through the game recently and when i walked into the bar i was like "oooh, this place seems real dodgy".

Also in relation to 2011, i would much rather have a great game in 2011 then a good game in 2010.

I still don't see how a Testing Phase reveal brings attention back to the game. Most people won't be able to test it straight away anyhow. New info would imho.

Still have to listen to the podcast though, so don't know yet what you guys thought about this.

Honestly the main reason I am unhappy about the release date is it's my main reason for grabbing a new computer, and I wanted to get it sooner rather than later.

As for threat of peace, I think it is pretty clearly pointing out the difference between the faction choice (one time) and morality systems (ongoing) that we know are two distinct aspects of the game.

I Im not sure why people are freaking out over a spring 2011 release. Most people on the forums tended to think it would be released late in the year anyway (Oct or Nov), spring 2011 is only a few more months from there so big whoop.

I wouldn't freaked out about DH or the hype that people are so concerned with. Unlike Darkfall, SW:TOR community managers are updating about their game once a week rather than once a month or every few months. We should be thankful to have them for that reason, and that the hype meter will steadily rise again once something major is revealed, which will be soon.

One year or more, BioWare is doing the right thing that the previous MMO companies could not do, building a non-rushed MMO game. This is why this company is notorious for their games, and ME2 proves how well they are willing to expand on their previous games as well. With this game being KOTOR 3-4-5-6-7 and beyond, this is a game where all the time of the world is needed to make it the most massive game ever with the amount of time needed, and that it will shock the world as we know when beta comes out. For now, the waiting game will keep us itching for more.

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-Macer