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Episode 27 - GDC Week
Posted March 23rd, 2010

In this episode we cover all of the GDC related info, the new webcomic, and tidbits from the DevTracker. We also spill the beans on our plans for E3.
Episode 26 - Live Q&A
Posted March 18th, 2010

This episode covers the live Q&A we held on March 15th. It contains only the Q&A and is not a regular podcast episode. We hope you enjoy this special episode of the Darth Hater podcast. Thank you to ...
Episode 25 - Funny Hat Talk
Posted March 8th, 2010

Timeline, Developer Blog, and Afterlife with a side of funny hat talk. We also spill the beans on the new Darth Hater project coming to you soon.
Episode 24 - Tunnels, Taris, and Threats Oh My
Posted February 28th, 2010

This week on the podcast we dissect the Taris Developer Dispatch. We also have a very special guest, he of the green text: Engrey. We also talk a bit about the lore of Sluis Van.
Episode 23 - Oh Montana
Posted February 21st, 2010

In the 23rd podcast, we'll get the community's opinion on death penalties in MMOs, and cover our dissection of the Threat of Peace comic series
Episode 22 - Talking TOR with Veronica Belmont
Posted February 15th, 2010

This week's special guest is Veronica Belmont. We'll discuss TOR, World of Warcraft, and Mass Effect 2 with her. We also touch on the latest planet, Taris, and our interview with Ensidia.
Listening to: Episode 21 - Turbo Buttons
Posted February 7th, 2010

Episode 21 will be great fun for all you techies in the TOR community. We discuss PC hardware and how it affects the enjoyment of the game.
Episode 20 - Mass Republic
Posted February 1st, 2010

The 20th episode of the Darth Hater podcast is here. We'll talk class speculation, and the latest timeline entry Also tune in for our impressions of Mass Effect 2.
Episode 19 - The Hype Train
Posted January 17th, 2010

This week we got a potential hint as to the release date of Star Wars: The Old Republic. How does the community feel about the news? Listen in to find out.
Episode 18 - The Emo Planet
Posted January 11th, 2010

On episode 18, we have David Ellis as our special guest. We talk TOR with him, as well as cover the latest planet reveal: Dromund Kaas, capital of the Sith Empire. We'll also touch a bit on Mass Effe...
Episode 17 - Speculation Station
Posted January 3rd, 2010

This week we talk with Emlaeh about the thinking behind Darth Hater's speculation, and touch on class customization. We'll also dissect the Designing the Dark Side Dev Dispatch.
Episode 16 - Sado Orange
Posted December 27th, 2009

Tatooine and the Dark Side are the hot topics this week on the Darth Hater podcast. The latest planet reveal and a great developer dispatch are examined in detail.

Episode 21 - Turbo Buttons


Posted on February 8th, 2010

Episode 21 will be great fun for all you techies in the TOR community. We discuss PC hardware and how it affects the enjoyment of the game.

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Comment by DaywalkerJ made on February 13th, 2010 at 9:54pm
I've been thinking about building a new computer. Not necessarily for just TOR, but for other games as well. I was wondering if you guys could give me some opinions on what i've put together on newegg. I typically order from them for what i need, but not all of the items on the wish list will be necessarily bought from them. Things like Monitor and possible ram might be bought retail depending on prices. I know this is going to be an expensive build, but i'm kinda over compensating as i've not truly built another pc(at least for myself) since 2003 :D

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=17538148
 
Comment by chronium made on February 14th, 2010 at 1:32pm
I would go for a cheaper PSU and Motherboard, do you really plan on putting 4 video cards in your system? If not I would just get a motherboard with 1 or 2 PCIe 16x slots and save 60-100 dollars. For your current build you only need a 400w-450w PSU for 1 ATI video card 700w is a bit over kill.

I also personally would wait for Blue ray burners to settle on a max speed or hit $100 or less mark.
 
Comment by DaywalkerJ made on February 14th, 2010 at 9:51pm
I appreciate your advice but I went with the higher psu to allow room for slight upgrades. as for whether ill put in multiple video cards or not I don't know.l, but having the possibility is worth the extra few bucks if I decide to go that route. but again thanks for your input.
 
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Comment by sado made on February 14th, 2010 at 1:46am
The only thing I would change would be the windows 7 retail copy that you have in your wishlist as there is no reason to spend the extra hundred dollars when you can buy the OEM version.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116758

Just a heads up.
 
Comment by DaywalkerJ made on February 14th, 2010 at 3:03am
THank you much for that suggestion.
 
Comment by Lansan made on February 11th, 2010 at 7:17am
When you guys said 2000$ gaming rig is insane you didn't really think about cooling and SLI/Crossfire, SSD did you?
Agreed you do not need to spend 2000 or more, but you easily can. There's nothing insane about that, it's no rip off, no charlatan sold it to me...
Next gen gaming rigs will have SSDs, SLI, at least 16 GB of RAM - that's not even talking about overclocking and watercooling things...
 
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Comment by sado made on February 11th, 2010 at 2:11pm
Well, we were mainly talking in reference of building a PC for TOR. There are valid reasons why someone would want SLI, watercooling, and SSDs but those aren't type of people who would be looking for tips on bulding a pc. That hardcore market of the building scene already knows what they need for their own means. However, to say that the average consumer needs to spend that to play TOR or any other game for that matter is a bit out there.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 11th, 2010 at 9:14am
SSd's will drop in price every year, eventually being the same price as regular hard drives, since that is where all the RD money is going into for storage. Games will always be designed with 1 video card in mind until the consoles start using 2 as default that will never change
 
Comment by Isavetheday made on February 11th, 2010 at 2:18am
The one thing you guys did not really go into too much detail about was Directx 11. SWTOR is still a year away, and Directx 11 will be even more used because of the new nvidia cards. Since LOTR is soon (or already is, don't play the game) making a Directx 11 version, and the game is much older then SWTOR; I don't see why it would not be worth it for someone wanting to truely enjoy the game to not spend extra for Directx 11. Direxct 11 will give many new features on top of giving better high end performance, so it would make sense that SWTOR would come with a Directx 11 version on release or very soon after. Personally, I think it is stupid to buy the 200 series Nvidia cards right now instead of buying the 5000 ATI series or waiting for the 400 Nvidia series.
 
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Comment by sado made on February 11th, 2010 at 2:15pm
DX11 is one of the things we wish we delved into a bit more. According to the card companies (NVIDIA and ATI) we could possibly see a pretty bit performance jump from DX10 to DX11 but that is only if the games themselves support it. It is very likely that SWTOR could end up supporting it and could drastically help the game's performance for DX11 users. But yes, you're correct, we should have at least talked a bit about that in the cast. However, remember that we were mostly talking about it in reference to building for TOR. In our opinion we don't see it being required for to or even needed.
 
Comment by xeridae made on February 12th, 2010 at 2:35pm
The problem with making SW:TOR compatible with DX11 is you have to write 3 different sets of API's for the game. You need the game to run on D9,10 and 11 so you are basically coding for 3 different versions of the game at the same time. I just don't see that happening and the only real benefit is improved shaders and tesselation. Those are things that matter when you are going for that "real" look to a game but since SW:TOR falls more along the lines of WoW's graphical style it won't be necessary. Case in point: Age of Conan. They promised DX10 from the beginning but didn't deliver it until almost a year after launch primarily because, as I said, the level of complexity involved with coding the game across multiple DX API's. I might have gone a little too technical into this but basically it just comes down to DX11=more time than it's worth unless you wrote the game specifically for it.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 11th, 2010 at 9:05am
Directx 11 really only becomes good when it is the only thing that is supported but if you take Dirt 2 into account the difference between 9 and 11 is really negligible it's only a really small improvement. We're going to need to see the next generation of consoles or crazy developers like Crytek to kill off Directx 9.
 
Comment by Reliant made on February 10th, 2010 at 6:32pm
Wow. Totally enjoyed you guys geekin' out on computer specs. A key thing you missed is the importance of identifying bottlenecks. A computer is only as fast as it's slowest component. Too many people waste money on high end components that provide no benefit due a bottleneck elsewhere in the system. Also, don't be afraid of open box components. Most electronics fail in the first couple months or after 3 years (and if it does fail, that gives you an excuse to upgrade again).
 
Comment by Macer made on February 10th, 2010 at 12:26am
I am a visual learner. I can't learn to build one without having a hands on experience to it. It has been my effective way of learning in building stuff or learning in school. I am not the type of person that will read computer terms and read directions where it will lead me to confusion. All it takes for me is one person to show me step by step. Fortunately, I hope my computer buddy will teach me in the future with TOR being far away from release.

About price, I am a business major, I know a lot about pricing and market demand. I know how to save 1000s of dollars building my first to my next few computers. Technology changes much faster than any other product today. Things become the best of the line to almost obsolete in a few years, which alters value and price. The best shit now will be much lower in value in a few months. I am taking advantage to wait as long as possible to build the most updated tech for less than a 1000, which will be much better than Sleeper's computer hopefully. ^.^

I hate best buy. My inexperience led to buying their computers. With my improved skills, I know what to do and ask my computer buddies on vent to lure me the right parts. :D

3 DH Team

-Macer
 
Comment by chronium made on February 10th, 2010 at 9:38am
Youtube has a ton of step by step guides for putting together a computer just search around for the ones you like the most.
 
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Comment by Sleeper made on February 10th, 2010 at 7:56am
"Be much better then Sleeper's" and you saying "Inexperience led me to buy their computers"... Yea I don't have much competition here, Mr. Retail Shopper. FORCE PURCHASER!
 
Comment by Suzina made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:31pm
God, I always feel like I *should* be building my own computer when I listen to podcasts like this or friends like this. It drives me crazy.

I've tried building a computer from a barbones (case + motherboard w/ cpu) and putting in my own ram, hard drive, video card and other components... and it was a nightmare. I had such trouble getting it to boot and felt like a complete idiot the whole time. What's worse, is I was without access to a computer to even look up any helpful guides online most of the time. I hated the experience of building my own computer, and this was starting from a bare-bones!

It turned out btw that my power supply didn't give enough power to get the hard drive and graphics card working at the same time. I did get it working eventually by removing one of the hard-drives and the CD-rom. But it just never performed up to what I expected of the parts I ordered.

As tempted as I am to try again to build my own computer because you guys make it sound so great, I think it'd probably just be to stroke my own ego and feel like the A+ certified folk. If not for the "coolness" factor of building my own, I'd gladly pay for someone to pick my parts and hook it up for me.
 
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Comment by Sleeper made on February 9th, 2010 at 11:32pm
The process is very easy, but like I said on the podcast, can be intimidating.
I usually build on Newegg.com this way
*EXAMPLES* Be sure you check ALL requirements!

Motherboard: (I choose AMD always, up to your preference, as socket types will vary) Keep in mind PCI 2.0 for up to date cards, as they are cheaper and outperform older models. Also check what SOCKET TYPE (AM2 AM2+ AM3) and RAM. The motherboard will list all of the requirements for other parts. Also check the FORM SIZE, it will be ATX, Micro ATX. I always go ATX, as they are the normal board, and have a lot of room.

Processor (Depends on board, AMD or Intel): The more cores, the faster. Quad is becoming the standard. 2.5Ghz+ Quad Core processors are fast. Be sure the SOCKET TYPE on your PROCESSOR matches your MOTHERBOARD. 64bit processors are faster then 32bit, so I highly reccommend 64bit.

RAM: Check your MOTHERBOARD for the RAM specifications. DDR2/DDR3 and a pin count will be listed. To save some confusion when browsing, I tend to check the "Combo" deals or "What others purchased along with this item", and grab the RAM from the combo, or find another set with the same speeds. When purchasing RAM, some operating systems, and bit versions only recognize a set amount of RAM. DO YOUR RESEARCH ON OPERATING SYSTEMS!

Harddrive: I always go with the 7200rpm drives, and capacity is whatever you would like. Be sure to check the hookup. Most likely it will be SATA 3.0gb. Check MOTHERBOARD for hookups.

Graphics Card: ATI or nVidia, I always go nVidia, so I will use them as an example. CHECK WITH MOTHERBOARD for your slots! PCI 2.0 will be the example, older nVidia models (9600, 9800, 9600GT, 9800GTX) are still cards worth looking at for budget cards. (When buying nVidia, watch the model numbers! Example: 9100 to 9500, 9700, and 9900 models are generally less power/less performance, but catch your eye with the price. It is worth paying the extra $30 for the 9800. The higher end cards (Model 250+) are the same way , GTS230 and 240 have slower cores, and a cheaper price tag. ALWAYS do your research on brands, and models.

Powersupply: Usually the graphics card requires the most power, so check the card, and order accordingly. Be sure to go 100-200 watts higher (Unless your like me and are pushing it with a 700w, with a 680w card).

Case: The more airflow, the better. Cooler Master to me has the most quality cases and fans. BE SURE TO CHECK FORM OF MOTHERBOARD TO CASE. MicroATX won't fit in an ATX (Some do, but looks very odd) Full Towers offer the most room and airflow.

My fingers are starting to hurt, am typing this on my G1 lol. Feel free to list what I have missed, or I will edit more tomorrow.

Remember this is just my opinion and suggestion on this topic, and ultimately your decision on your computer. Always here to help!
 
Comment by engrey made on February 10th, 2010 at 1:11am
Hard-drive:
The difference between the 10,000 RPM and 7,500 is only a few seconds and not worth the extra money.

However the newest tech on the block are SSD (Solid State Drives). They are expensive and are small in capacity so you only tend to put the OS on it or a few games.

The increase in speed (Like boot up) can be noticed but again the reliability is iffy and is not worth the money at the moment.

Graphics Card: I love Nvidia as well but if you are on a budget hands-down ATI is the winner here. They have the best price per performance cards on the market right now.

ATI started this with their 4000 series of cards and continue to do so with the 5000 series. So if you are looking for a new card in the 150-200 range I would wait until March to look at what Nvidia has to offer.However at the moment ATI is the best bang for your buck.

Powersupply: I can not remember what brands you guys mentioned on the podcast but my top favorites are Corsair, Thermaltke and Antec/Cooler Master. They are all great brands (Personally I am using Corsair). I remember that you touched on PSUs being Modular but it does bear repeating.

Modular means you only use the cables that you need. The PSU has a ton of sockets that you stick the cables into, so it cuts down on clutter and is great for cable management. However this does bring the price up so it is personal choice. Non-modular PSUs are just as good but if you have the extra money I would go with modular and make sure to zip-tie the cables up to improve air-flow.

Cases: Here is the difference between full and mid size towers.
Mid-ATX Towers:
Pros:
Portable/Light.
Size; These cases take up less space and can be put under desks or in smaller spaces. Great if space is at a premium.
Price; (Good cases range between 70-120), Selection, tons of cases to choose from.


Cons:
Small; Not a lot of wiggle room inside, some of the newest cards (GTX 260, ATI 5000 series) may not fit in the case. For the Antec 900 you have to remove the middle HDD bay to make the card fit since they are 10.5'' in length.
Quality; Some cases are not build with the greatest materials and lack the finish you would get on a full tower.

Air-flow can very between cases so not exactly a con you just have to know what to look for.

Suggestions: Antec; (The 900), Thermeltake; V9 (Looks like the 900 so about the same type of case), Cooler Master; Scout.

Those would be my top picks, though many more cases are out but I know those are some of the best and will fit the newest cards.

Full Tower cases:
Pros:
Air-flow; You can get some great air-flow in these cases
Space Interior; You have a ton of space to work with inside the case. Lots of room for water-cooling (If you ever decide to go that route) or for expanding and using multiple GPUs.
Quality; Most of these cases are built very well, and are worth the price.
Longevity; These cases are a great investment, you can upgrade your rig and not worry about having all of the newest parts fitting inside.

Cons:
Price; Depending on who you get the case from and what you are trying to use it for they can run as much as $800. Most are within the $120-300 range so they can get expensive.
Weight; These are not portable at all, many are 30lbs with no parts in them. So if you go to LANs a lot then it can be a bit of a hassle to carry around.
Space Exterior; This is one of the biggest grips people have, these cases are huge. My case (HAF 932) is 21.50'' in height and 22.70'' in length. I have the case sitting on my desk, sure it would fit under but I do not exactly recommend since many cases have a top fan that blows out. Wide open spaces are the best to give the case some breathing room.

Suggestions: Cooler Master HAF 932; Antec 1200; XCLIO Windtunnel; Thermaltake ArmorPlus (A little outdated but still a good case.)

Side-Note: One company stands above the rest but is not talked about a lot when it comes to cases. If you really want quality and to have a solid piece of metal to call your own go with Lian-Li. Those cases typically are not flashy and rarely have LED lights in them. They are very simplistic but get the job done, however price wise they are not cheap.

I here time and time again that if you are the kind of person that wants a case that will last make the investment in Lian-Li. They have one of the biggest selection of Full-towers around but prices range from 200-350+ with those.

I think I covered most of what Sleeper left out in his own wealth of information post.
 
Comment by engrey made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:54pm
Depending on where you live if you have some type of computer part store (Not a Best Buy) if you bring in the parts they can usually assemble it for a little fee.

That way you know everything is up and running as it should be.

That would be the best choice if you do not like to troubleshoot Windows and any problems you may have.

I am working on a list of parts, prices, websites to buy them and reviews. I should be able to get someone to put up the links once I am done.
 
Comment by zechio made on February 9th, 2010 at 4:59pm
-- Unnecessarily got top of the line when he originally built this computer:)
I spent about 4500 on my computer around 2 years ago. Granted, I just got back from Iraq at the time, and had over $20,000 in the bank with a big tax refund on the way...so, it was sorta a gift to myself and all. ( I also bought a $1500 monitor... one of the 30 2560x1600 monitor )

Yes, it didnm never going to run less than 2560x1600 on a monitor again. 1080p is horrible, and unplayable in most MMOs for me now. )

I did build it myself mostly off of newegg of course. Buying the computer would have ran me over $10,000. I had first place on 3dmark for 2 months ( Until the 8800gtx vid cards were unlocked, and people started the up the crazy Liquid Nitrogen rigs that cant do anything besides run a benchmark )
 
Comment by Roflmywaffles made on February 9th, 2010 at 12:51pm
About the power supplys, I went ahead and bought an Ultra X3 750watt. (modular) Im pretty sure that will last me. Im not using a 400$ video card or anything too power consuming.
 
Comment by Boza made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:46am
Hey guys, great podcast.

As someone who's been in the Mac world for the past 3 years, it's good to hear some PC tech speak. I think it would be a great idea to create a thread/topic about specific hardware recommendations for those who are going to be building a computer for TOR, which because of the disclusion of Mac's from the release of TOR, will include myself. Maybe something like recommendations for minimum-spec, mid-spec, and max-spec with your complete specific component recommendations. Just a thought! I'm sure some (like myself) would really appreciate it.

Of course this would probably have to be updated every 3-6 months until release, but it would give people an idea at least of what/how they would want to spend their money.

Myself, I'll be waiting until 2011 to purchase the components for my PC, should be interesting to see how progressive computer technology will be by then.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 9th, 2010 at 1:01pm
Well really you can just use Bioware's most recent games to judge what kind of system you should be aiming for with just their recommended settings since TOR won't be needing the most recent hardware. It's also not hard to beat the settings at a cheap price.

Dragon Age Origins
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz processor or equivalent, AMD Phenom II X2 Dual-Core 2.7 GHz or greater
Ram: 2 GB (XP), 3 GB (Vista/7)
Graphics: ATI 3850 512 MB or greater, NVIDIA 8800GTS 512 MB or greater.

No point using ME 2 since it actually requires less in requirements only because they had ME 1 to work off of to optimize better.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:08am
oh one suggestion for people building a computer buy your parts in December especially during black Friday and boxing day week. You can get killer deals that will save you a ton of money.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 9th, 2010 at 9:58am
My first computer was a Atari ST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_ST

Great games and great performance at the time. I used it till 1992 or 1995.

One thing I don't like about your computer advice is your computer life expectancy of the computer. I personally build a computer to last 10 years without upgrades or until it burns itself out. My first computer lasted me 8 years 2001 to 2009 of being left on practically 24/7 and even with a Geforece 3 64mb and 512mb ram could still play a large amount of games.
 
Comment by engrey made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:24am
Exactly, gaming rigs, at most, should last four years. The way technology is going, like Sleeper said, is that if you want to max out your settings you have to stay on top of what is coming out.

I would not try to build a computer to last five to ten years just because I am not even sure what will be out by then.

I know for a fact AMD is working on a Six-Core CPU due out sometime by the end of this year (I think), so now we are getting into the realm of six to eight core CPUs.

Upgrading, or building a whole new rig every few years is still the best investment you can do. Since a few hundred dollars to a thousand dollars is not bad if you can save it up.
 
DH Team
Comment by Sleeper made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:18am
We were discussing price vs performance for the most part, a rig built 10 years ago could probably run WoW on low. Gaming rigs are not generaly made for 5+ years of gaming, as a lot of gamers want the best of the best. And with the way computer technology is upgraded (PCI, PCIE, PCIE 2.0) older parts are completely phased out.
 
Comment by chronium made on February 9th, 2010 at 12:46pm
it does run WoW that was my primary game until my PSU blew and got tired of using my parents computer, which only had a Nvidia 6100 on board graphics taking 64mb of ram to make 128mb graphics memory, for 6 months before I broke down and bought my computer.

Yes the technology is upgraded but really most of it is over rated when it comes to the actual needs for the software. When it's coded well you don't even need mid range hardware. Bioware and Blizzard are masters at this. But really that's my cheap skape opinion for making my monies worth of hardware last.

With the new 6 cores Intel's coming out with theirs in march but they'll mostly be $1000 minimum with a cheaper model coming out sometime later to compete with AMD's 6 cores but the problem with AMD's is that those 6 cores are only really going to be able to compete with Intel's current core i7 series considering they only added 2 cores and haven't changed their core architecture yet. AMD's 2011 processors are the one's you should be keeping an on in the future mostly because there hasn't been much info released yet but they're supposed to be like Intel's Clarkdale CPU+GPU on the same chip but since they own ATI they would actually be able to play the new games. Also the CPU is supposed to properly integrate both CPU+GPU together since the Intel version technically has both parts separate.
 
Comment by Shardie made on February 9th, 2010 at 2:09am
Been podcast-less for weeks now; good to see you back 3
 
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Comment by Zoidberg made on February 9th, 2010 at 6:57am
Did you not see the one from last week?
 
Comment by engrey made on February 9th, 2010 at 1:31am
For those looking for some "Inspiration" and some bundle deals Newegg usually has some pre-sets that are reasonably priced.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/MasterComboStore.aspx?StoreID=7page=1
 
Comment by Invader Mig made on February 12th, 2010 at 10:40pm
I'm pretty much a noob on the whole tech scene and have yet to put together a rig for myself. I was about to pull the plug on one of the bundled deals Newegg offers. Lucky I did research and found that the bundle contained parts that are not compatible.

The motherboard didn't accept the new lower wattage revision models of the phenom II x4's. Upon reading the fine print it stated that there was no guarantee that the bundled components are actually compatible. Luckily a friend of mine built a new pc and gave me his old one, so I can hold out on building one.

I'm not trying to bash newegg at all because I've shopped there and will continue to do so, but the point I was trying to make is that you must always do extensive research before purchasing anything. It's never safe to assume anything when building a rig from scratch.
 
Comment by timskywalker made on February 9th, 2010 at 7:55am
wtf dude Thermaltake VL30001N1Z:$849.99 almost 900$ for a COOLER!

looks like a nice website....but i prefer alienware http://www.alienware.com/
 
Comment by engrey made on February 9th, 2010 at 10:21am
Those are just the bundle deals, Alienware are overpriced. You pay for the warrenty and the labor. Also a lot of their cases do not give the necessarily air-flow to your system.

What you can get from Alienware I can get for $500 less, even more then that depending on the parts.

If you are not comfortable putting a computer together other sites offer a better variety of cases and parts for less then what Dell [Alienware] has.
 
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Comment by emlaeh made on February 9th, 2010 at 1:05am
This whole conversation about building a computer is giving me deja vu back to November.
 
Comment by timskywalker made on February 9th, 2010 at 12:45am
nice guys......finally something to listen to while at school XD
 
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Comment by sado made on February 9th, 2010 at 12:48am
Listen to your teacher ;).
 
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Comment by Sleeper made on February 9th, 2010 at 7:15am
Don't go filling their heads with such nonsense Sado!
 
Comment by timskywalker made on February 9th, 2010 at 6:21am
stop joking sado XD